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	<title>Comments on: Jealousy, or, why closed access journal articles not only hurt scholarship, but basic the flow of knowledge</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Chabot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Chabot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am going to deal with your second comment first.  The vast majority of computers are Robarts require a UTORID to log in, even to surf the Internet.  There are 2, if I can recall, catalogue machines on the first floor, which are only hooked up to the Intranet, and cannot access the Internet.  They have a time limit of 15 minutes.  In the stacks there are computers on every other floor, some of them reserved for the catalogue, but those are useless, as they are behind the id-check to enter the stacks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the first point, thank you for showing me that page.  Of course, this is less than optimal.  It is interesting that I just finished S. R. Ranganathan's &lt;em&gt;Five Laws of Library Science&lt;/em&gt;, when having windows for retrieval services at "Mon - Fri at 11:00 a.m., 3:00 p.m., 6:30 p.m." breaks basically the first law from the perspective of the general public.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is not that the resources are absolutely inaccessible for member's of the general public, but that the University does not give the impression that they even want the general public have access. This even extends to alumni who, after paying a hefty fee to get a library card after graduation, do not even have digital access to journals&#8212;this requires a second payment to have off-site capability, and even then it is a poor subset of what a current student can access, &lt;a href="http://content.library.utoronto.ca/services/others/alumni/subscription" rel="nofollow"&gt;quote&lt;/a&gt; "Information of professional and personal interest is available from these sources."  This does not include, implicitly, academic use but only what is available from ProQuest, a resource that can even be accessed at one's local library for free.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can see the perspective of the University, who must consider the needs of those it is mandated to service first, then the public (although does the University also not need to serve the public? Perhaps this is an old-fashioned idea.).  However, as we are all coming to know, digital access to documents do not create a scarcity as they do for physical copies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don't think we are in disagreement here, but, from the perspective of the general public&#8212;a perspective I was addressing in my post&#8212;these are not particularly "solutions."&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to deal with your second comment first.  The vast majority of computers are Robarts require a UTORID to log in, even to surf the Internet.  There are 2, if I can recall, catalogue machines on the first floor, which are only hooked up to the Intranet, and cannot access the Internet.  They have a time limit of 15 minutes.  In the stacks there are computers on every other floor, some of them reserved for the catalogue, but those are useless, as they are behind the id-check to enter the stacks.</p>

<p>As for the first point, thank you for showing me that page.  Of course, this is less than optimal.  It is interesting that I just finished S. R. Ranganathan&#8217;s <em>Five Laws of Library Science</em>, when having windows for retrieval services at &#8220;Mon - Fri at 11:00 a.m., 3:00 p.m., 6:30 p.m.&#8221; breaks basically the first law from the perspective of the general public.</p>

<p>It is not that the resources are absolutely inaccessible for member&#8217;s of the general public, but that the University does not give the impression that they even want the general public have access. This even extends to alumni who, after paying a hefty fee to get a library card after graduation, do not even have digital access to journals&#8212;this requires a second payment to have off-site capability, and even then it is a poor subset of what a current student can access, <a href="http://content.library.utoronto.ca/services/others/alumni/subscription" rel="nofollow">quote</a> &#8220;Information of professional and personal interest is available from these sources.&#8221;  This does not include, implicitly, academic use but only what is available from ProQuest, a resource that can even be accessed at one&#8217;s local library for free.</p>

<p>I can see the perspective of the University, who must consider the needs of those it is mandated to service first, then the public (although does the University also not need to serve the public? Perhaps this is an old-fashioned idea.).  However, as we are all coming to know, digital access to documents do not create a scarcity as they do for physical copies.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t think we are in disagreement here, but, from the perspective of the general public&#8212;a perspective I was addressing in my post&#8212;these are not particularly &#8220;solutions.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: pbinkley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Note that the physical journals are available to anyone who goes to the desk and asks for them: http://content.library.utoronto.ca/services/others/public/aistacks . Most academic libraries license access to online resources for any onsite user as well, so if you penetrate Robarts you can use the online journals. Those are the solutions currently available to libraries; OA is a better one.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that the physical journals are available to anyone who goes to the desk and asks for them: <a href="http://content.library.utoronto.ca/services/others/public/aistacks" rel="nofollow">http://content.library.utoronto.ca/services/others/public/aistacks</a> . Most academic libraries license access to online resources for any onsite user as well, so if you penetrate Robarts you can use the online journals. Those are the solutions currently available to libraries; OA is a better one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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